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RoyP	Revell kit conversion.	Lead	[-]
Posts: 1 (19/10/08 14:25:18) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None Which in your opinion would be the name of the corvette that I could use as a guide for the easiest conversion from HMCS Snowberry to HMS ????, and that would entail the least modification to the kit. Thanks.
George		#1	[-]
Posts: 4 (20/10/08 00:13:47) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It should not be particular difficult given that HMCS Snowberry (along with 9 others) was built in Canada for the RN to RN specifications and not to RCN corvette specifications, ie RCN specifications included the shape of the stern, the after superstructure, and the location of the two pounder tub. These ten corvettes were turned over to Canada for crewing and operations upon their delivery to the UK however the RN maintained ownership and also updated and refitted them. I don't know of any particular RN corvettes that would be similar to Snowberry however Snowberry would have been built as a batch 1 version with a short forecastle and would have been updated to be roughly comparable to the batch 2 versions, ie with the extended forecastle (as represented by the model). So you would starting with a batch 1 corvette that was later upgraded to an extended forecastle version.
hjh43		#2	[-]
Posts: 33 (23/10/08 18:10:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	You have a couple of good choices here. First, render the kit as the HMS Arabis. About the only changes that would have to be made is to the paint scheme, name and pennant number-K73. The HMS Arabis was commissioned in April 1940 and had a storied career. There is quite a bit of information on this vessel on the internet. It was one of 10 corvettes transfered to the US based on an agreement between Admirals Pound and King reached in late January 1942. It was transfered to the US on 30 April 1942. So, the USS Saucy in the Revell kit would represent the HMS Arabis just before the transfer with the exception of the paint. I have found only two photos of the Saucy/Arabis in this time period and both of them are on this forum. Second, render the model as the HMS Bluebell. Originally, the kit contained parts to render the vessel as the Canidian Snowberry, the US Saucy and the UK Bluebell. For some reason, Revell droped the Bluebell from their instructions but all the parts are there. The Bluebell's parts are the parts in the instructions that are blacked out witrh the note do not use. There is a discussion of how to build it as the HMS Bluebell in another forum http://cs.finescale.com/forums/574442/ShowPost.aspx There are also a number of photos of the Bluebell on this forum. It would be great if you could post some photos of your build.
RoyP	HMS Arabis	#3	[-]
Posts: 4 (06/11/08 07:38:57) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	If I was to try and build as HMS Arabis, I assume the Saucy build would be the instructions to follow? Any advice on colour scheme or directions to pictures, to date I have only found one. Thanks.
hjh43		#4	[-]
Posts: 37 (06/11/08 20:46:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The short answer is to follow the instructions for the Saucy for the Arabis. As for paint, I would suggest Western Approaches color scheme. I have searched but never found a photo of the Arabis. (I have only found 3 photos of the Saucy. Two of them on this site and taken just after the transfer. The other photo, also on this site, was taken much later shows her much modified to US standards.) Also, I have not seen any descriptions of her appearance or color scheme. (Just because I have not found them does not medan they don't exist. If anyone can add anything, please do so.) The Arabis was part of the Western Approaches 8th Escort Group and last employed as an escort for convoy HX173 on 13 Feb 1942. Therefore, lacking anything to the contrary, I think it is reasonable that she be rendered in Western Approaches color scheme. Plus, that scheme is more pleasing than some other ones.
George	USS Saucy Colours	#5	[-]
Posts: 6 (07/11/08 15:56:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The recently published Flower Class Corvette book (noted below) has a colour profile of USS Saucy (May '42). The text describes it as MS16 with white and Thayer blue. There appears to be nothing about HMS Arabis (i) however there is an HMS Arabis (ii) (a modified or IE version) that was turned over to the RNZN. Strangely enough this book doesn't have an index.
hjh43	USS Saucy Colours	#6	[-]
Posts: 39 (07/11/08 21:43:46) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Geroge, I thought the same thing about the Saucy's colors and painted my model in MS 16. I used the Model Master marine line paints, which included Thayer Blue and red bottom paint. (I understand MM has discontinued the marine line. A real shame.) Then I did some more reading and discovered that the specifications for Measure 16 were not promulgated until June 1942, which was at least two months after the Saucy was painted. For that reason and several others, I do not believe it was painted in Measure 16. It probably was painted in whatever colors were available at the time keeping in mind that the vessel was scheduled to enter the Boston Navy Yard at the end of her transfer voyage. Please let me know what you think. The RNZN Arabis was a completely different vessel.
George		#7	[-]
Posts: 7 (08/11/08 01:04:39) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	hjso I don't have any knowledge of US naval colour schemes as I'm here in Canada and my interests lie in RCN ships. So I have a very basic understanding of RN colour schemes for smaller vessels, ie DDs, corvettes, etc. Your date of June '42 was a month after the May '42 data mentioned in the caption so it is too early for Thayer blue. I wonder what is the difference between Western Approaches (WA) blue and Thayer blue. Looking at the profiles in the book it is hard to tell the difference between the two but Thayer blue may be a bit lighter (but it is hard to tell with the shading/weathering in the in the profiles). Based on your information perhaps the Thayer blue was really WA blue as RN & RCN were refited in the US and that would fit in with your comment about using what ever colours were available. There are only 2 other USN corvettes done in colour profile section USS Tenacity (June 42 done in MS12) and USS Intensity (Sept 42 - MS-14). I looked at one of my other references Canada's Flowers (Lynch, 1981) and it had a B&w photo of Saucy, it was also dated May 42 and the colour pattern is the same. Maybe this photo is the source of Bob Pearson profile in the Shipcraft book. Interestingly stuff. Best Wishes George
hjh43		#8	[-]
Posts: 40 (09/11/08 18:59:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	George, There is an excellent site on camouflage at http://www.shipcamouflage.com/ . There is a discussion about the development of camouflage at http://www.shipcamouflage...t_of_naval_camouflage.htm . There is a whole section devoted to RN camouflage in WWII at http://www.shipcamouflage.com/3_1.htm . The paint we see in the Saucy photo was most probably applied at the Harland & Wolf yard in late April 1942. The yard used what they had on hand and that was, again most probably, WA blue, which is darker than Thayer blue Measure 16. Thayer Blue has been described as Robin's egg blue. My particular interest is the 18 corvettes in the US Navy. There is precious little information about their operations. One has to piece together scraps of information from many sources and speculate on the rest. There is practically no information as to what happened in the yards with the exception of a series of photos of the Tenacity in the Brooklyn Navy Yard. If anyone has any info, it would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Jay
George		#9	[-]
Posts: 9 (09/11/08 20:07:58) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Jay, thank you very much. I keep a look out on anything USN Corvette related. Best wishes. George
herrmill		#10	[-]
Posts: 2 (06/01/09 10:03:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I too am converting the Snowberry into a USN Flower, USS Intensity PG93. Mine will be an RC model & I would prefer to be as close as possible on the details. I've gleaned more from the USS Haste photo that I found here in the image gallery than anywhere else I've been. Any reference photos, especially of the aft deckhouse & deck layout would be most appreciated. Chuck
hjh43		#11	[-]
Posts: 51 (06/01/09 19:32:35) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The USS Intensity, PG93, was one of 8 Modified Extended Endurance Canadian built corvettes transfered to the US Navy but manned by Coast Guard personnel. There are substantial differences in appearance to the original 10 British built vessels transfered to the US Navy in 1942. The Revell model is based on the original corvettes. It will require a bit of kit bashing to render the Revell kit as a Modified Extended Endurance vessel. This site has the greatest collection of corvette photos on the web. However, it is light on US corvettes. I have found only three photos of the USS Intensity and they may be found on NavSource: http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/09093.htm. NavSource is the best source for photos of US warships. Steel Navy also has some US corvette photos: http://www.steelnavy.com/USCGcorvettes.htm. The US Coast Guard Historical Center has an enlarged detailed photo of the intensity: http://www.uscg.mil/histo...utters/Intensity_PG93.pdf The Anatomy of a Ship book has detailed drawings of the vessel: Anatomy of the Ship: HMCS Agassiz ISBN 9780851779761 There are a few other historical references I could provide if interested. Hope this has helped.
rcm612		#12	[-]
Posts: 5 (19/01/09 05:56:47) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	You can still get the Model Master Marine arcylics direct from the Testors website. I think its www.testors.com . Robert

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