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Crew structure |
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Posts: 0 (18/02/04 23:47:17) |
Sorry, its me again!
Can anyone tell me what the crew structure/ranks were on a Corvette. Obviously it would start with the C/O then Sub Lt as No1 then how many Subs, then what would follow in the ranks, and how many of each. Thanks in hope Kev |
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Posts: 33 (27/02/04 00:16:09) |
Hi, Bryony CREW STRUCTURE,
CAPT. LT/COM F.LT . LT NAV OFF .LT. EXE OFF. 6 LT WARRANT OFF RON H |
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Posts: 0 (11/03/04 17:34:39) |
Ron,
Thanks for the answer about officers. Do you know what the ratings were....ie 6x Stokers etc. Its just Im trying to work out the total crew structure. Many thanks Kev |
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Posts: 33 (11/03/04 19:52:40) |
Hi yes I do know the anwser but it will take me awhile to work out the whole crew, there where 112 names all to gether , BRYONY had more crew than most, because she had accustic hammer, LL reel, twin rack depth charges, lewis guns , pom pom, orlicons, hedge hoggs, 4inch gun, depth charge throwers, will take time ,ron h
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Mark Walters FCCA Member |
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Posts: 1049 (12/03/04 00:23:21) |
Kev
I asked my stepfather what the breakdown on Campion was and this is as much as he could remember: 1 commanding officer 1 first lieutenant 3 second lieutenants 2 sub lieutenants 3 chief petty officers (Coxwain, Engineer, Buffer) 8 petty officers (inc. some specialists eg. engine artificers, armaments etc) 10-15 leading seamen 10-15 able seamen 10-15 ordinary seamen 10-15 stokers 2 cooks 2 signalmen 3 telegraphists 1 supply assistant 1 sick berth attendant Cheers Mark |
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Posts: 0 (12/03/04 19:29:31) |
Hiya,
Wow, this helps me loads. Thank you both for your help.  )Kev |
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Dave Freeman |
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Posts: 41 (21/03/04 21:03:41) |
According to works of fiction by Nicholas Monserrat such as Three Corvettes, the original complement of officers in RN corvettes was a CO, an XO and two SLt watchkeepers. Monserrat based his writings on his actual experience of serving in various corvettes, one sloop and two frigates, one of the latter being HMS ETTRICK which he turned over to the RCN in Halifax, Nova Scotia, in Feb 1944.
From my experience, the exact number of crew would depend on navy, class, equipment fit and year of operation in which you are interested. Just a head's up: for the sake of accuracy, it would be difficult to take one ship's company in one year and generalize to other ships' companies in other years and other navies. |
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Dave Freeman |
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Posts: 41 (01/04/04 01:40:59) |
Cdn Corvette Crew Composition
The size and number of the crew on a RCN corvette varied considerably throughout the Second World War. From my reading, the exact number of crew and their occupations depended on several factors, among these are: 1. Nationality (Brit, Cdn, American, Free French, Norwegian, etc.) 2. Class (Flower, Improved Flower, Castle, etc.) 3. Equipment fitted (type of radar, number and type of guns, etc.) 4. Month and year of the war 5. Assigned function (convoy escort, escort group, senior ship, training vessel, etc.) and 6. Location of operations (Western Atlantic, North Sea, Mediterranean, etc.) The following crew composition list is taken from Macpherson, Ken and Marc Milner, Corvettes of the RCN 1939 1945; St Catharines: Vanwell Publishing, 1993, page 18. It relates to RCN corvettes in the early years, e.g. 1940/41. 1 Lt Cdr - CO 1 Lt - XO 2 Lts or SLts 1 CPO 3 Leading Seamen 12 Able Seamen or Ordinary Seamen 1 Leading Telegraphist 1 Telegraphist 1 Telelegraphist/Signalman 1 Signalman 1 Engineering Officer or Chief Engine Room Artificer (ERA) 3 ERAs 3 Stoker Petty Officers 6 Leading Stokers 10 Stokers 1 UPO (Victualling Petty Officer?) or Leading Victualler 2 Cooks 2 Stewards This made a total of four officers and 48 ratings assigned to early Cdn corvettes. On the same page they state that the original intent was for a crew of only 29 personnel, all ranks. A search of the relevant Cdn Naval Lists for this period, however, show that many COs were only Lieutenants, e.g. HMC Ships COLLINGWOOD K180, commissioned Nov 1940; TRAIL K174, comd Mar 1941; GALT K163, comd May 1941; and LOUISBURG (2ND of name) K401, comd Dec 1943. Even some of the last COs were Lts, e.g. SACKVILLE K113 in 1944/46; TRENTONIAN K368 in 1944; and TRILLIUM K172 in1944/45. Further, in the early days of the Second World War few Engineering Officers were then serving in Cdn corvettes. Usually, there was a Chief ERA or sometimes only a PO ERA. Eventually, for the standard Cdn corvette the crew number increased to about 85 all ranks. For the Castle Class, this number increased to 109 all ranks. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find a breakdown of the ranks and occupations of these larger crews. But I do have a photo of the ships officers for AGASSIZ K129 in the summer of 1943: three Lts, two SLts and one Warrant Engineer, total six. |
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Posts: 41 (07/05/04 00:18:06) |
SPIKENARD was lost in Feb 1942. There were 19 survivors, none of them officers.
There ranks and ranks were: SPIKENARD Crew Feb 1942. 1 Lt Cdr 3 Lt l SLt 1 CPO 3 Leading Seamen 12 Able Seamen 2 Ordinary Seamen 2 Steward 1 Leading Telegraphist 2 Telegraphist 3 Signalman 1 Coder 1 Ordinary Coder 1 Chief ERA 1 PO Stoker 6 Leading Stoker 6 Stoker 2 ERA 2 Cook 1 Sick Berth Assistant 1 Victualling Assistant 19 Survivors 71 Total |
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Posts: 0 (17/06/05 22:54:59) |
Just browsing as I often do and was reminded of the messing on board HMS Clarkia. All the 'miscellaneous'
types were messed aft of the for'ard mess deck bulkhead, on the starboard side, eg asdics types. radar,and sigs, nine of us in total, of them ,three were Leading hands I was asdics myself. The mess consisted of two standard mess deck tables secured end to end and to the deck! A 2 metre high metal mess cabinet/unit for the storing of all dishes, fanny's, plates and mugs, tools etc, and of victuals. secured to the afore mentioned bulkhead. Seating was along one side only the outboard side, in the shape of 9 18' square biscuit cushions positioned over 9 lockers again secured to the deck. the whole was then surrounded by an 18' high steel fence a foot or so on the inboard side of the mess tables with enough to slide past. This barrier was welded to the mess bulkhead for'ard end and to the hammock netting structure the after end and the deck. As most of us corvetteers know, to walk through the Messdeck flat as it was called, at sea one, had to wear knee high sea boots, for the uninitiated water would swirl around at least four inches deep when level, but when on roll 14' was common. Just imagen what it was like when the ship began to pitch and toss. The idea to keep the water out the mess was fine on paper but not at sea in a heavy swell in a force eight blowing. We arrived back to Liverpool after one convoy and was greeted by some Lady Politican who wanted to stop our 6 pence a day hardline money(old Money) as it was called Just recalling the odd memory or two Edward J Coe Member |
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Mark Walters FCCA Member |
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Posts: 1049 (18/06/05 21:53:13) |
Thanks for passing through again Edward, always good to get an insight from someone who was actually aboard a Flower. Were there any improvements late in the war to make the crew quarters watertight ?
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Posts: 0 (20/06/05 13:39:22) |
Hi Mark, Unfortunately none, we had to bring back to Uk
two RAF bods from Gibralter and the were victualled in our mess (4) unfortunately the return trip was pretty grim even by our standards, the klinonmeter on the bridge was recording over 40 degrees for days, even we felt sorry for these guys they were acually green. could not eat and finished up in a hammock slung at the end of the Mess for three days untill our return to Liverpool were they had transpot to take them to sick bay. They were the driest two people on board ship that trip! No, that sea barrier worked well, at least one could hang on and eat with out getting a seaboot full of 'oggin. known as character building! Regards Edwardjcoe. |
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Mark Walters FCCA Member |
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Posts: 1049 (20/06/05 16:11:03) |
Thanks Edward - what was your position on the ship and which theatres of operation was Clarkia sent to? You may have posted this earlier, but we lost a lot of posts recently due to the hacker attack on Ezboard who host our forums.
Regards Mark |
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Posts: 1 (11/09/05 21:34:21) |
it is quite a long list, so there it is: 1 lt.cdr as captain, 1 LT, 2 SUBS, 1 CHIEF PO, 3 LS, 12 AB, 1 LEADING TELEGRAPHIST, 1 TEL, 1 TEL SIGNALMAN, 1 SIGN, 1 CHIEF ERA, 3 ERA, 3 STOKER PO, 6 LEADING STO, 10 STOKER, 1 LVA, 2 COOKS, 2 STEWARDS. AMONGST THESE CREWMAN THERE WERE WEAPONS AND SENSOR SPECIALISTS SUCH AS: 1 TEL CODER, 1 LEADING CODER, 2 GUN SPEC, 1 LEADING TORPEDOMAN, 2 TORP , 3 SONAR (ASDIC) OPERATORS, 3 SIGNAL DETECTION OPERATORS.
IN TOTAL 4 OFFICERS AND 48 RATINGS THAT WAS THE CREW OF CANADIAN CORVETTES |
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Posts: 1 (10/11/08 09:53:01) |
Where there any Warrant Officer on a Flower Class Corvette?
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